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1777 a major turning point of the Revolution Robert Sobel takes a step sideways and presents the alternative version reinforcements arrive at Saratoga Gates' men flee and Burgoyne is victorious Rather than openly allying itself with the American rebels France withdraws its support as does Spain and the colonies surrender Those former rebels who refuse to live in the Confederation of Nor. It s hard to decide whether to give this book four or five stars I think it is sort of a flawed masterpiece It s a history of North America from the middle of the 18th century to the then present day 1971 but from an alternate timeline where the American Revolution failed It details the history of the two major nations North America eventually spawned from this point of divergence in the form of a relatively dry popular history or textbook It s very very unusual I kind of love it but it has some issuesPros Extremely detailed there is a tremendous labor of imagination put into constructing this plausible alternate world There are lots of footnotes in the text all citations to nonexistent books or newspapers from this alternate timeline each with a fictional author year of publication and city of publication almost all of them are collected in a bibliography at the end of the book There are lots of tables of statistics and election results all of course fictional and cited from fictional publications The book proper ends with a scathing critiue of the book by a fictional historian from this alternate timeline who has biases and inclinations diametrically opposed to the book s author who has the name of the real world author Robert Sobel but is otherwise totally different it points up potential alternate readings of the history of the alternate timeline and is also funny simply as a parody of brutal academic put down reviews Basically everything possible is done to produce a convincing false document which is greatNeutral thingscomments Probably because of the author s background as a professional business historian one of the three major powers whose history the book ends up covering is a fictional mega corporation It s sort of interesting in that this predates cyberpunk by a decade or so but posits a business as potentially a major independent player in world affairs unlike most later fiction however this fictional company Kramer Associates is not depicted as particularly evil or corrupt even when it s working to subvert democratic norms it s depicted as being essentially benign although the critiue at the end of the book calls out the author for being overly sympathetic to Kramer Maybe because of when it was written right in the middle of the real world Cold War the fictional history ends in what is basically a fictionalized Cold War with a stalemate between major powers and a nascent concept and reality of Mutually Assured Destruction enforced by nuclear weapons Likely intentionally the book is pretty dry and sometimes dull with very little authorial voice I m perfectly fine with this because it is of course supposed to be a textbook written by a middling historian from this alternate world but if you try to read this book as you would a novel you would probably be disappointedNegatives There are a lot of errors in the book Not errors about the history of this fictionalized world of course because that s impossible but internal errors like certain chapters giving incorrect dates for events of earlier chapters inconsistencies about geography eg St Louis is at one point referred to as if it were on the opposite bank of the Mississippi as it is in our world although it was founded pre divergence point errors of terminology the monarch of the Ottoman Empire is referred to as Shah and simple typos especially in non English names Guatemala is referred to as Guatamala Chapultepec is Chapultapec Later tables of Mexican election results all seem inexplicably to omit the state of Mexico del Norte There aren t enough maps the original 1973 book contained in the front matter a map of the alternate history North America as of 1971 but with substantial errors in the map relative to the text The modern edition of the book or at least the 2002 softcover edition omits even this map despite claiming to be complete and unabridged It d be preferable to have several maps of America at various points in the history but to have none at all is kind of unforgivable Broadly Sobel the real Sobel but also the fictionalized one seems to have been very knowledgeable about the American Revolution and about business histories but sadly deficient in knowledge outside these areasAs a side note tangential to the uality of the book even though it s good that the book got reprinted at all the reprint is disappointing It was reprinted in hardcover in 1997 when Sobel the real world one was still alive and it s unfortunate that the publishers did not take the opportunity to fix some of the errors I mentioned above Perhaps Sobel was too old or ill to supervise any changes he died two years later but even so there are problems that could ve been fixed without adding or changing anything substantive The reprint uses the exact same typesetting as the 1973 original including typos and including several typesetting errors in one chapter a footnote number is skipped in another chapter the numbers of two footnotes are swapped so that footnote 30 comes before footnote 29 The dates for several presidenciesgovernorships given in the tables at the end of the book contradict the text of the book These problems plus the map thing are very disappointingOverall despite the mainly technical issues with the writing I think that this book is brilliant and totally uniue There really wasn t anything uite like it when it was published and even now it s unusual There are other works presented as authoritative histories of alternate timelines but they are almost all produced by amateurs and hobbyists that is not trained historians and almost none of them are professionally published in a physical format It s a trailblazing work of alternate history and even now in 2018 after there s been sort of a boom of alt history fiction over the past 30 or so years it s remarkable for its thoroughness imagination and depth It s great O Último Testamento (Maggie Costello, unusual I kind of love it but it has some issuesPros Extremely detailed there is a tremendous labor of imagination put into constructing this plausible alternate world There are lots of footnotes in the text all citations to nonexistent books or newspapers from this alternate timeline each with a fictional author year of publication and city of publication almost all of them are collected in a bibliography at the end of the book There are lots of tables of statistics and election results all of course fictional and cited from fictional publications The book proper ends with a scathing critiue of the book by a fictional historian from this alternate timeline who has biases and inclinations diametrically opposed to the book s author who has the name of the real world author Robert Sobel but is otherwise totally different it points One for My Baby up potential alternate readings of the history of the alternate timeline and is also funny simply as a parody of brutal academic put down reviews Basically everything possible is done to produce a convincing false document which is greatNeutral thingscomments Probably because of the author s background as a professional business historian one of the three major powers whose history the book ends Paragon Walk (Charlotte & Thomas Pitt, up covering is a fictional mega corporation It s sort of interesting in that this predates cyberpunk by a decade or so but posits a business as potentially a major independent player in world affairs We unlike most later fiction however this fictional company Kramer Associates is not depicted as particularly evil or corrupt even when it s working to subvert democratic norms it s depicted as being essentially benign although the critiue at the end of the book calls out the author for being overly sympathetic to Kramer Maybe because of when it was written right in the middle of the real world Cold War the fictional history ends in what is basically a fictionalized Cold War with a stalemate between major powers and a nascent concept and reality of Mutually Assured Destruction enforced by nuclear weapons Likely intentionally the book is pretty dry and sometimes dull with very little authorial voice I m perfectly fine with this because it is of course supposed to be a textbook written by a middling historian from this alternate world but if you try to read this book as you would a novel you would probably be disappointedNegatives There are a lot of errors in the book Not errors about the history of this fictionalized world of course because that s impossible but internal errors like certain chapters giving incorrect dates for events of earlier chapters inconsistencies about geography eg St Louis is at one point referred to as if it were on the opposite bank of the Mississippi as it is in our world although it was founded pre divergence point errors of terminology the monarch of the Ottoman Empire is referred to as Shah and simple typos especially in non English names Guatemala is referred to as Guatamala Chapultepec is Chapultapec Later tables of Mexican election results all seem inexplicably to omit the state of Mexico del Norte There aren t enough maps the original 1973 book contained in the front matter a map of the alternate history North America as of 1971 but with substantial errors in the map relative to the text The modern edition of the book or at least the 2002 softcover edition omits even this map despite claiming to be complete and The Moon Platoon (Space Runners, unabridged It d be preferable to have several maps of America at various points in the history but to have none at all is kind of The Echo (The Anomaly Quartet, unforgivable Broadly Sobel the real Sobel but also the fictionalized one seems to have been very knowledgeable about the American Revolution and about business histories but sadly deficient in knowledge outside these areasAs a side note tangential to the The Asset (Wounded Warrior uality of the book even though it s good that the book got reprinted at all the reprint is disappointing It was reprinted in hardcover in 1997 when Sobel the real world one was still alive and it s Shadow of Doubt (Newpointe 911, unfortunate that the publishers did not take the opportunity to fix some of the errors I mentioned above Perhaps Sobel was too old or ill to supervise any changes he died two years later but even so there are problems that could ve been fixed without adding or changing anything substantive The reprint Amazing Discoveries That Unlock the Bible uses the exact same typesetting as the 1973 original including typos and including several typesetting errors in one chapter a footnote number is skipped in another chapter the numbers of two footnotes are swapped so that footnote 30 comes before footnote 29 The dates for several presidenciesgovernorships given in the tables at the end of the book contradict the text of the book These problems plus the map thing are very disappointingOverall despite the mainly technical issues with the writing I think that this book is brilliant 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Th America established by the British leave their homes and settle in what becomes the United States of Mexico From then on the two continental nations find themselves constant rivals locked in military political and economic conflict Sobel provides a detailed intricately documented insight into two warring powers that develop in such dramatically different ways from their shared origins. Over the past few decades alternate history has emerged as an increasingly popular sub genre of science fiction Through it an ever growing number of authors and fans have postulated the different turns that history might have taken often because of relatively minor circumstances Most writers use this to establish a divergent setting for fictional works in which characters come to terms with the very different worlds that emerged as a resultIn this respect Robert Sobel offers something different Rather than develop an alternate history setting for a work of fiction he created something far elaborate a thoroughly articulated timeline of events resulting from a British victory in the Battle of Saratoga From it he envisages an American Revolution that ends in a British victory and the emergence of two different countries the British spawned Confederation of North America and a separate state founded by the surviving revolutionaries that evolves into the United States of MexicoIn developing his alternate world Sobel presents it in the form of a nonfiction text rather than that of a novel This is a considerable undertaking instead of simply drafting a setting he has to develop an increasingly intricate seuence of events all of which must be plausible in explaining broader developments that took place over the following two centuries Adding to the challenge is that he does this within the context of a narrative history without the benefit of the novelist s devices of character and dialogue to maintain the reader s interestAll of this makes Sobel s achievement an impressive one Not only does he present a plausible and fully realized alternative to the history with which readers will be familiar he does so in a way that can keep a reader s attention In many respects it reads as a satire of a true nonfiction work complete with footnotes citing nonexistent books and fake disputes between academics who never lived It serves as just one strata of a richly layered work one that may not be as exciting of a read as the works of authors like Harry Turtledove but one that can envelop the reader in a way that few other works of the genre are able The Black Ice Score (Parker, undertaking instead of simply drafting a setting he has to develop an increasingly intricate seuence of events all of which must be plausible in explaining broader developments that took place over the following two centuries Adding to the challenge is that he does this within the context of a narrative history without the benefit of the novelist s devices of character and dialogue to maintain the reader s interestAll of this makes Sobel s achievement an impressive one Not only does he present a plausible and fully realized alternative to the history with which readers will be familiar he does so in a way that can keep a reader s attention In many respects it reads as a satire of a true nonfiction work complete with footnotes citing nonexistent books and fake disputes between academics who never lived It serves as just one strata of a richly layered work one that may not be as exciting of a read as the works of authors like Harry Turtledove but one that can envelop the reader in a way that few other works of the genre are able

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For Want of a Nail is an alternate history classic The outcome of one battle in the American Revolution diverges from reality and sparks an unstoppable chain of events which affects the history of the whole North American continent In reality the British general John Burgoyne heavily outnumbered by American troops surrendered his army to General Horatio Gates at the Battle of Saratoga in. The concept of this book is staggering I ve read many alternate histories and they are basically novels where history takes a different line but the same people appear and event are similar This alternate history is rather a history than a novel It is written as a classic survey history The premise is that Burgoyne wins at the Battle of Saratoga and thus the American Revolution collapses As the history moves it becomes and divergent from what really happened If you are a lover of history I cannot recommend this book highly If you want a good story look elsewhere Listening Woman by Tony Hillerman Summary & Study Guide unstoppable chain of events which affects the history of the whole North American continent In reality the British general John Burgoyne heavily outnumbered by American troops surrendered his army to General Horatio Gates at the Battle of Saratoga in. The concept of this book is staggering I ve read many alternate histories and they are basically novels where history takes a different line but the same people appear and event are similar This alternate history is rather a history than a novel It is written as a classic survey history The premise is that Burgoyne wins at the Battle of Saratoga and thus the American Revolution collapses As the history moves it becomes and divergent from what really happened If you are a lover of history I cannot recommend this book highly If you want a good story look elsewhere


10 thoughts on “For Want of a Nail If Burgoyne had won at Saratoga Greenhill Military Paperback

  1. says:

    The concept of this book is staggering I've read many alternate histories and they are basically novels where history takes a different line but the same people appear and event are similar This alternate history is rather

  2. says:

    For Want of a Nail is a singular work in published alternate history Unlike the masses of fictional works set in alternate worlds and the occasional description of an alternate history for the purposes of overt what if uestions and roleplaying sourcebooks its format is of a nonfiction book from an alternate world Specifically a history book written just like a real history book but detailing the history of an alternate

  3. says:

    This is the best alternative history I have ever read Its like a textbook for a different time line Very creative and plaua

  4. says:

    A fascinating book I had to remind myself that this was a work that ended in 1971 on several occasions this was mainly to come to terms with my disappointment that conclusions were already being referred to in the 1950s of this book's timelineStill I enjoyed it It's a slog to get through because it rewards attention to detail but

  5. says:

    Most in fact all the ones I can think of off the top of my head alternate history books are novels; This book instead reads like a history textbook complete with copious fake footnotes I found this approach to be uite refreshing It he

  6. says:

    It's hard to decide whether to give this book four or five stars I think it is sort of a flawed masterpiece It's a history of North America from the middle of the 18th century to the then present day 1971 but from an altern

  7. says:

    I am not even halfway through For Want of a Nail and already I have decided that the book is the best alternative history I have read by far I finished 1776 by David McCullough and could not help but wondering wha

  8. says:

    This is a book I truly hope to read someday Robert Sobel's For Want of a Nail is apparently considered one of the godfathers of the alternate history genreFor science fiction fans also it is perhaps an ideal example of a 'b

  9. says:

    Over the past few decades alternate history has emerged as an increasingly popular sub genre of science fiction Through it an ever gr

  10. says:

    The book that basically kick started the modern alternate history movement and by a business economist no less which is probably why he has a big corporation end up with the A bomb This thing is really well researched and fun as hell but almost painfully detailed and actually uite bizarre